2 min readJun 27, 2019
The following responses won’t exactly mirror your numbering. I’m just going to cite a handful of things:
- When I was asking for evidence that would back up the opening statement of Genesis, I was deliberately being cheeky (and maybe somewhat snarky). What I could have written but didn’t was this: There is no evidence for this claim, because pointing to a Bible passage, any Bible passage, doesn’t constitute evidence. Real evidence would be something that exists outside of the Bible.
- Let’s imagine an eminently plausible statement that someone somewhere no doubt has said: “I prayed to so-and-so and my daughter’s/son’s cancer was cured!” That’s not evidence for prayer. “Intercessory prayer” is and can never be evidence for anything.
- Ritual status versus material transformation. Yes, for non-Catholics, the business with “holy” water and “blessed” bread is a ritual. As an atheist, I see zero value in such rituals, but your point is taken: non-Catholics don’t believe in the literal transformation of water or bread.
- Consciousness is a mystery that we haven’t figured out. All I’m saying is that we have zero reason to believe that something “spooky” (super-natural) is going on to account for consciousness, self-consciousness, and what we generally call the mind.
- “I do not believe that God’s Will and Wisdom are grounded anywhere in the natural world.” This presupposes there is evidence for a super-natural realm. No such evidence for this realm exists.
- There is no evidence for the existence of Hell. Reading the Bible more closely will not yield a positive answer on Hell or its alleged overlord Satan, in exactly the same way that giving The Lord of the Rings a closer read will not give me evidence for Sauron’s existence. To be clear: “Satan” is a character written by people who wrote the Bible. “Sauron” is a character written by J.R.R. Tolkien.
- I wouldn’t go so far as to say that none of what the Bible says is true. I’m only saying that none of the super-natural claims made in it are true: parthenogenesis never occurred for a certain woman, nobody ever lived in a whale, nobody commanded a body of water to part, animals don’t talk, life was not *poofed* into existence over a few days’ time, and so on. I can’t claim the following comment is mine, but I wish I could because it’s perfect (it’s from someone named J.M. Green, but I can’t locate the provenance of this person on the Internet): “Claiming the Bible is true because it mentions some historical places and people is like saying the Sherlock Holmes stories are true because they contain descriptions of Victorian London.”