5 min readJul 6, 2019
My response to your responses to my ten questions. I’ll try to belief (but will no doubt fail in this attempt):
- That’s not an adequate answer because it sidesteps the question I asked.
- Not an answer because you didn’t address my “God did it” angle. However, you did make an observation about scientists, that they used to think a certain way about a certain thing but now hold to a different view. Fine. Scientists often change their minds because that’s how science works. Science isn’t about dogma that never changes and can be never questioned. That’s religion. Science is inherently a provisional and exploratory discipline: Discoveries and successful experiments supplant previously held ideas or discoveries all the time. For example, Darwin was wrong with his theories about biogeography, but the essence of what he was going after was later corrected by plate tectonics.
- That doesn’t answer my question about the alleged influence Christianity could possibly have for other intelligent beings in the universe. Is there a theological argument that says Jesus may have appeared in various guises on other planets throughout the Universe? If so, how amusing! But to the point you raised, Christianity is dying. Sure, Christianity might be seeing an upswing in certain pockets of the world, but I ask you to consider Christianity as a 500-year-old stock. Pull up a chart to see Google’s performance for the past five years. Now, “pull up” the stock on European Christianity. You can see that Christianity is undergoing a decline because 500 years ago most people in Europe were Christian. Today? You see an incredible upswing of secular humanism, particularly in northern Europe.
- That Aquinas quote is a dodge. “I don’t have to explain myself to you. I believe what I believe and that’s that.” Wow, that’s so lame, as the kids like to say. But notice the intellectual trap of disrespect you’ve fallen into. If it takes two to tango, then try this on for size. Theists are always going on about how religion is about meaning, morals, and values, and that science has no permission to play in that sandbox. Oh, but when it’s turned around, when a believer wants to play in the sandbox of science — by making an assertion about the state of water or flour (after either one has been “consecrated”) — you turn around and say, when asked how you know the water has been “blessed,” you say, “Nuh-uh. It’s faith. I don’t have to explain anything.” Sly. Very sly. And intellectually dishonest. You say that religion plays by one set of rules and science plays by another, and never the twain shall meet. But when a religious belief does intrude on science, you theists go all mum and say you don’t have to explain yourselves. That’s rich — which is to say you didn’t answer my question (because you can’t).
- As with number four, it’s about differential diagnosis — and you didn’t answer my question. But maybe I should give you a pass. After all, what you’re indirectly saying is that these Catholic beliefs (including number four) are ridiculous. Great! That’s one small step in your growth toward living a full, secular life free of religious rituals.
- You noted some excellent things in this answer. Two that stand out are “murder destroys community” and “lack of respect for others ultimately limits one’s own freedom and degrades one’s own feelings of self-worth.” Perfect! Thing is, our general attitude to murder as being a bad and wrong thing has all to do with evolution and nothing to do with an “outside” god commanding us to behave in certain ways. No commandment from any celestial being accounts for why I don’t burgle my neighbor or kick my cat.
- You didn’t answer the question. My point was that God is the biggest abortionist around and theists aren’t bothered by this fact. “God can do anything God wants,” you might say. Nope, not if you believe in “objective” morality (I don’t). If something’s objectively good, it means it’s good for all, whether you’re a god or not. Seeing that God kills blastocysts and near-fetuses on a daily basis, it follows that objective morality doesn’t exist. As for the “sacred nature” of human life, bodily autonomy should be considered a universal and basic human right. Even a sacred one, you might say (if I may use that word in a secular, colloquial manner).
- I don’t disagree with you. Yeah, the Bible is filled with lots of parables and stories (many of which are repugnant, but that’s for another time). My question was to address just one belief among many to illustrate a larger point, which is the nature of the various beliefs that various theists hold: you may think the Jonah story is just a parable, and that’s fine, but others think it’s a story about something that really happened. Conversely, it’s possible that you may think that “Adam & Eve” existed or that Earth is only a few thousand years old (10,000 at most, some believers say), but science has shown these beliefs to be false. And so it goes for many other things mentioned in the Bible that are not true: nobody commanded a body of water to split, there was no global flood, and animals don’t talk.
- This answer has nothing to do with my comment on Hell — which is another way of saying you didn’t answer my question. What does scientists figuring out the nature of the world and the universe have to do with my philosophical question, which is what does it say that God takes some measure of pleasute out of knowing that some people are being tortured forever?
- This is an interesting answer. You wrote: “’Satan’ represents Evil, Hatred, Sorrow, all achieved by not embracing the laws designed for your best outcomes.” You seem to be saying that Satan represents (is a metaphor for) evil, etc., and that Satan isn’t a real being in the universe. Or, you’re saying Satan is for real and that he represents (is the source of) evil, etc., in the world. So I’m not sure which you’re saying here. But you didn’t say anything about the point that I was making: people’s personification of Satan and that many believers believe that Satan is a being in the Universe who exerts his influence on human beings and that because Satan is often called The Great Deceiver, it logically follows that “God” might be Satan’s greatest deception. And that takes me to my final point: You didn’t answer my question.
There are no advanced questions about religion, only questions that forever reflect the innocence or naiveté (or gullibility) of the religious questioner.